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Linux Tools Project/0.3 Planning Log
overholt | open OProfile bugs: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Technology&product=Linux+Tools&component=OProfile&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 03:02 |
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overholt | open Valgrind bugs: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Technology&product=Linux+Tools&component=Valgrind&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 03:02 |
overholt | project plan: http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=technology.linux-distros | 03:02 |
overholt | we have very little in the way of text in the project plan | 03:02 |
overholt | and I need to fix up the bug queries to make them reflect items planned | 03:03 |
overholt | let's start with you, ksebasti | 03:03 |
overholt | what do you plan to do for OProfile? | 03:03 |
overholt | we should collect all items (even long-term ones) in bugzilla | 03:03 |
overholt | then prioritize per milestone/release | 03:04 |
overholt | so let's file some | 03:04 |
ebaron | sounds good | 03:04 |
overholt | and look at the open ones | 03:04 |
ksebasti | well after the user guide im doing now (which i think is looking pretty good :D http://wiki.eclipse.org/Linux_Tools_Project/OProfile/User_Guide) | 03:04 |
overholt | :) | 03:04 |
overholt | and that's bug ~272039 | 03:04 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 272039 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=272039 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - Write OProfile plugin user documentation | 03:04 |
ksebasti | i plan to start on ~265794 | 03:04 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 265794 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265794 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - PC / Linux - NEW / enhancement / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - OProfile: Start/Stop profiling manually or after given duration | 03:04 |
overholt | okay | 03:04 |
overholt | jjohnstn: akurtakov_: others who may be interested: we'd love to hear your thoughts on these things | 03:05 |
overholt | crazy ideas welcome :) | 03:05 |
ksebasti | because i can see it poking in many areas, and would make the plugin much more useful | 03:05 |
overholt | ok | 03:05 |
ksebasti | also add some tests to the launch plugin.. | 03:05 |
overholt | okay | 03:05 |
overholt | we can file these bugs afterwards | 03:06 |
overholt | let's just talk here | 03:06 |
ksebasti | they were mysteriously absent :) | 03:06 |
overholt | heh | 03:06 |
overholt | what about the hot spot colourization? | 03:06 |
ksebasti | indeed that could probably make it too | 03:06 |
overholt | okay | 03:06 |
ksebasti | because theres already some code in a branch that didnt make it for 0.2 | 03:07 |
ksebasti | but id rather have it at a lower priority than the start/stop feature | 03:07 |
overholt | so for 0.3 OProfile we have: colourize hot spots, write documentation, and make the profiling manually controllable | 03:07 |
overholt | so the latter two for sure | 03:07 |
ksebasti | because its a nicety rather than a functionality thing | 03:07 |
overholt | the first one maybe | 03:07 |
overholt | okay with me | 03:07 |
overholt | anyone else have an opinion? | 03:07 |
ksebasti | oh the documentation should be done reasonably soon.. its already been a good chunk of days :p | 03:07 |
overholt | ok | 03:08 |
ebaron | looks good to me | 03:08 |
jjohnstn | overholt: unfortunately I haven't played with the OProfile plugin to have any meaningful comments....I could review the user doc though | 03:08 |
overholt | jjohnstn: that's cool. what about general profiling features you'd liek to see? | 03:08 |
ksebasti | also ~273116 but thats just a small bug which im pretty sure is a 1-2 line fix | 03:08 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 273116 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=273116 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - PC / Linux - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - vmlinux text box not repopulated | 03:08 |
overholt | with gprof coming in, we'll have to think about how to make it as general as possible | 03:08 |
overholt | ksebasti: ok, we'll leave that targetted at 0.3 | 03:09 |
overholt | anything else for OProfile in 0.3? Early July is the target release date for 0.3. | 03:09 |
ksebasti | later in the cycle when policy kit 1 is out perhaps poke into ~265646 | 03:10 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 265646 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265646 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - PC / Linux - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - Find better way to do non-root opcontrol invocation across distros | 03:10 |
ksebasti | and at some point i'd like to clean up (in the most general sense :-) the opxml code for future maintainers | 03:11 |
ksebasti | and see how much of it could perhaps be used from oprofile xml output | 03:11 |
ksebasti | and otherwise poke upstream | 03:11 |
ksebasti | whoo 0.3 is gonna be fun ;) | 03:11 |
overholt | :) | 03:11 |
overholt | so realistically we're looking at ~272039, ~273116, and ~265646 | 03:12 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 265646 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265646 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - PC / Linux - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - Find better way to do non-root opcontrol invocation across distros | 03:12 |
overholt | documentation, small vmlinux fix, and start/top daemon | 03:12 |
rcjsuen | overholt: Punctuation bug still in place. ~272039 ~273116 | 03:12 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 272039 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=272039 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - Write OProfile plugin user documentation | 03:12 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 273116 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=273116 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - PC / Linux - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - vmlinux text box not repopulated | 03:12 |
overholt | rcjsuen: thanks | 03:13 |
ksebasti | thats definitely doable | 03:13 |
overholt | ksebasti: when the gprof contribution is cleared by legal we'll have to look at integrating that | 03:13 |
overholt | okay, great | 03:13 |
overholt | unless anyone else has thoughts about OProfile, we can move on to Valgrind | 03:13 |
ksebasti | im inclined to add ~249181 because i expect the first 2 to not take very long | 03:13 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 249181 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=249181 - Linux Tools / OProfile / unspecified - PC / Linux - NEW / enhancement / - Assignee: ksebasti@redhat.com - Colourize hot spots in code | 03:13 |
overholt | ksebasti: let's try to get it in but not put the milestone on. and let's leave it until the other things are done | 03:14 |
ksebasti | overholt, righto | 03:14 |
overholt | as usual, if people have bugs or RFEs or whatever, file away | 03:14 |
overholt | thanks, ksebasti | 03:14 |
overholt | ebaron: let's move on to Valgrind | 03:14 |
overholt | ebaron: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Technology&product=Linux+Tools&component=Valgrind&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= | 03:15 |
ebaron | overholt, thanks | 03:15 |
ebaron | overholt, ~272198 should be resolved now | 03:15 |
overholt | ebaron: all of those except "Investigate CDT Debug integration" have a target of 0.3. | 03:15 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 272198 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=272198 - Linux Tools / Valgrind / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ebaron@redhat.com - Binary for test project does not always get built | 03:15 |
overholt | ebaron: sweet! | 03:15 |
overholt | ebaron: is cachegrind mostly done? | 03:16 |
ebaron | overholt, yes | 03:16 |
overholt | ebaron: what's up next? | 03:16 |
ebaron | overholt, i was looking into birt charting, but that's more of a callgrind feature | 03:16 |
ebaron | for call graphs and such | 03:16 |
overholt | ok | 03:16 |
ebaron | overholt, so long term, we'll have callgrind and helgrind support | 03:16 |
overholt | okay | 03:17 |
overholt | could one of them get into 0.3? | 03:17 |
ebaron | overholt, i feel there are more pressing things to take care of | 03:17 |
ebaron | overholt, ~272035 | 03:17 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 272035 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=272035 - Linux Tools / Valgrind / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ebaron@redhat.com - Guard against segfaults of inferior program | 03:17 |
overholt | ebaron: okay | 03:17 |
ebaron | overholt, this issue brought the limitations of valgrind's xml output to my attention | 03:17 |
overholt | ebaron: alright | 03:18 |
ebaron | i took a look at how other valgrind GUIs handle errors of this kind | 03:18 |
overholt | yeah, that'd be interesting | 03:18 |
overholt | so that + documentation | 03:18 |
overholt | anything new in Valgrind 3.4.0 that we need to support? | 03:18 |
ebaron | valgrind actually does have good signal handling, but this does not get reported with XML output | 03:18 |
overholt | ah | 03:18 |
ebaron | overholt, just a few new options | 03:19 |
overholt | could that make 0.3? or is it a non-issue? | 03:19 |
ebaron | overholt, i think moving away from xml output would be beneficial | 03:19 |
overholt | ok | 03:19 |
overholt | will it be as parseable | 03:19 |
overholt | ? | 03:19 |
ebaron | overholt, yeah 3.4.0 options for sure can make it in, i've already implemented the code for version checking | 03:20 |
overholt | sweet | 03:20 |
ebaron | overholt, it is parseable | 03:20 |
overholt | alright | 03:20 |
ebaron | alleyoop is one example of a GUI that doesn't use the xml output | 03:20 |
overholt | okay. I guess we should do some smoke testing with galileo stuff for 0.3, too | 03:21 |
ebaron | valkyrie, the "official" GUI for valgrind does use xml, but doesn't report segfaults or other kinds of errors | 03:21 |
overholt | ksebasti: that goes for you, too. we're running builds against galileo deps but doing some smoke tests would be good. | 03:21 |
overholt | ebaron: ok | 03:21 |
overholt | so we can target 0.4 for callgrind or helgrind (whichever comes first)? | 03:21 |
ebaron | overholt, sure | 03:21 |
ebaron | overholt, callgrind would come first | 03:22 |
overholt | and 0.3 for Valgrind can kind of be some further robustification | 03:22 |
overholt | + docs + Valgrind 3.4.0 support | 03:22 |
overholt | + the fix for ~272198 | 03:22 |
KOS-MOS | Bug 272198 - https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=272198 - Linux Tools / Valgrind / unspecified - All / All - NEW / normal / - Assignee: ebaron@redhat.com - Binary for test project does not always get built | 03:22 |
overholt | that works for me | 03:22 |
overholt | then 0.3's work is predictable and you will hopefully have time for 0.4-targeted features | 03:22 |
ebaron | overholt, i think it's important since most people use memcheck, i want to ensure it works perfectly | 03:22 |
overholt | agreed | 03:23 |
overholt | I'm going to guess no one else have any opinions | 03:23 |
jjohnstn | I don't | 03:23 |
overholt | okay | 03:23 |
overholt | s/have/has | 03:23 |
overholt | I'll post this log somewhere and send the link to the mailing list | 03:24 |
overholt | people may come out of the woodwork with bugs then | 03:24 |
overholt | I'm sure we'll have bugs filed once 0.2 is out, too | 03:24 |
***ksebasti thinks ebaron should add a remix feature to his plugin ;) | 03:24 | |
overholt | a remix feature? | 03:24 |
ksebasti | virtual turntables and all! | 03:24 |
ksebasti | </joke> | 03:24 |
overholt | ah | 03:24 |
overholt | for sure! | 03:25 |
ebaron | :D | 03:25 |
overholt | well, we're only 30 minutes into our hour. we could discuss some other sub-projects | 03:25 |
overholt | jjohnstn: we should file some bugs for your work re-writing the autotools builder | 03:25 |
jjohnstn | overholt: ok | 03:25 |
overholt | akurtakov_: for 0.3 we'll try to ship eclipse-build in some form? | 03:25 |
overholt | jjohnstn: any plans for ChangeLog or libhover in 0.3? | 03:25 |
overholt | pmuldoon: I don't know if you're around, but Anithra has been approved as a committer and will likely start working directly in SVN soon | 03:26 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: do we require it to produce a working eclipse for the release | 03:26 |
overholt | pmuldoon: we should look at integrating your editor with the rest of the SystemTapGUI stuff | 03:26 |
overholt | akurtakov_: I wonder if that should be the demarcation point where we release it for the first time? | 03:27 |
jjohnstn | overholt: I would like to push libhover C++ and newlib for 0.3...for changelog I would like to take a look at an annoying CTRL+ALT+P bug | 03:27 |
overholt | jjohnstn: okay, sounds good | 03:27 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: well, before this point we actually have nothing :) | 03:27 |
overholt | akurtakov_: do you anticipate that happening in the next 8 weeks? | 03:27 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: at least a partially working sdk yes | 03:28 |
overholt | akurtakov_: okay, well let's aim for that | 03:28 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: i mean builds and starts but don't know what happens after that | 03:28 |
akurtakov_ | :) | 03:28 |
overholt | I'll file bugs for all of this stuff | 03:28 |
overholt | akurtakov_: sure :) | 03:28 |
overholt | akurtakov_: any big plans for .spec editor? | 03:28 |
overholt | people asked for ability to build RPMs when I presented at EclipseCon | 03:29 |
overholt | we should ensure we have bugs filed so people can hop on if they're interested | 03:29 |
overholt | I'll do a big triage | 03:29 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: using rpmbuild? | 03:29 |
overholt | akurtakov_: yeah | 03:29 |
overholt | on another distro-related note, I'd had a bit of time to look at running the SDK tests against an installed set of packages | 03:29 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: i should take a look at the old plugins whether there is smth about building | 03:30 |
overholt | I'd love to see if we get similar results on another distro -- preferably non-RPM -- but that'll take some coercion I expect :) | 03:30 |
overholt | akurtakov_: yeah, we should see if we can use any of that code | 03:30 |
overholt | akurtakov_: perhaps target 0.4 with some rudimentary RPM building | 03:30 |
overholt | not 0.3 | 03:30 |
overholt | if anyone notices, I'm being conservative with estimates here | 03:30 |
overholt | I want our project to be predictable as much as possible | 03:31 |
overholt | hopefully that will get us some more contributors | 03:31 |
overholt | or at the very least adopters | 03:31 |
overholt | the Ericsson guys are going to start work on their tracing stuff soon, I expect | 03:31 |
overholt | they were talking about it at EclipseCon | 03:32 |
akurtakov_ | overholt: i still want to get a form based editor but eclipse-build is taking my time | 03:32 |
jjohnstn | overholt: was there ever a feature opened to make the rpm spec editor a RCP application? | 03:32 |
overholt | akurtakov_: yeah, a form-based editor would be cool | 03:32 |
overholt | jjohnstn: no, but that' s a neat idea | 03:32 |
overholt | I don't think the non-RPM-based distros are ready for something like stubby yet, but it would be neat. maybe after akurtakov_ & co. have eclipse-build out there, more distros will pick it up | 03:33 |
overholt | then they'll be at the stage of packaging other plugins | 03:33 |
overholt | I'm going to write a little bit of "getting started" text for people not familiar with Eclipse plugin installation | 03:33 |
overholt | oh, and the gprof contribution is undergoing legal review | 03:34 |
overholt | but that'll hopefully be finished soon | 03:34 |
overholt | then Xavier & co. can work in SVN | 03:34 |
overholt | maybe that can make 0.3, actually | 03:35 |
akurtakov_ | exherbo packaging file is quite similar in structure to spec file | 03:35 |
overholt | I played around with it | 03:35 |
overholt | akurtakov_: I'm not familiar with exherbo | 03:35 |
akurtakov_ | so stubby would fit for them nicely | 03:35 |
overholt | that's good | 03:35 |
overholt | the gprof plugin as it stands opens up gprof output files | 03:35 |
overholt | I'd love to see a standard way of using various profiling "backends" | 03:35 |
overholt | ksebasti: does post-processing analysis make sense for OProfile? | 03:35 |
ksebasti | what sort of post processing? | 03:36 |
overholt | ksebasti: like saving the output in a file or something and then opening it up with an Eclipse view | 03:36 |
overholt | I guess I meant post-execution analysis | 03:36 |
overholt | I guess that's what we do now | 03:36 |
ksebasti | the sample files are generated by oprofile and already there | 03:37 |
overholt | I guess gprof doesn't do that | 03:37 |
overholt | we'll have to see where things overlap and where they differ | 03:37 |
overholt | I don't really have anything else to talk about | 03:37 |
overholt | our 0.2 release is scheduled for review on May 6th | 03:38 |
overholt | the slides are done and so's the N&N thanks to everyone | 03:38 |
overholt | our builds are now producing p2 repositories | 03:38 |
overholt | updates-nightly gets updated automatically with these | 03:38 |
overholt | you may notice there's no site.xml anymore | 03:38 |
overholt | that's because p2 repositories use content.jar (which is basically just a zip of content.xml) | 03:39 |
overholt | oh, and we're down to 0 warnings | 03:39 |
jjohnstn | cool | 03:39 |
overholt | thanks for the work there, jjohnstn | 03:39 |
jjohnstn | np | 03:39 |
overholt | Hudson on build.eclipse.org is accessible to all | 03:39 |
overholt | you can use your committer username/password to log in | 03:39 |
overholt | I think I set everyone to have the permission to start builds | 03:39 |
overholt | they happen automatically every 6 hours | 03:40 |
overholt | i think that's all I have to say | 03:40 |
overholt | anyone else? | 03:40 |
jjohnstn | not me | 03:40 |
overholt | ebaron: ksebasti: akurtakov_: you all okay for 0.3? I'll file bugs and send some follow-up mail | 03:41 |
ksebasti | all good | 03:41 |
overholt | giddy-up | 03:41 |
ebaron | overholt, sounds good, i'm sure things will come up, but that's a good start | 03:41 |
akurtakov_ | yep, 0.3 for me is get eclipse-build as much as possible ready :) | 03:41 |
ksebasti | overholt, im filing some bugs i just thought of though :) | 03:41 |
overholt | ksebasti: thanks | 03:41 |
overholt | akurtakov_: great, looking forward to it! | 03:41 |
overholt | alright, thanks for taking the time to talk, everyone. next time I'll bill it as a "project meeting" so others may be more interested in attending :) | 03:42 |
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