TPTP-PMC-20080618

Logistics

Attending: AlexA, AlexN, Chris, Oliver, Joanna

• Not attending: Paul(on vacation)

Any objections to last week's summary?

• no

TPTP 4.5 Finalization

Oliver asks how 4.5 is going?

• Joanna noted that this morning there was a build issue with profiler that seems to be being worked.
• Joanna notes from looking at test reports that there are still some to be run
  • Note that when we are done, remaining reports should be set to inconclusive for failures to get 100% pass rate for bookkeeping release.
• Joanna notes that we will need to respin the bundle on Friday to pull in latest external dependences.
  • We will pull, build on Friday, release.

Post 4.5

Oliver asks if everything got fixed that we thought would cause a point release.

• Joanna notes that there is nothing currently open that would require a point release
• If consuming product teams find new problems they may escalate.

Oliver asks who decides on creating a point release

• TPTP PMC approves and needs Eclipse foundation approval.

Oliver summarized the ballpark figures for expected HC

• Looks like will have somewhere in the ballpark of 8 from IBM
• Looks like we will have in the ballpark of 2 plus a bit from Intel for maintenance
• Oliver asks IBM who they suggest as the new AG lead (should be a fulltime person)
  • Joanna following up with Harm on final resourcing commitments and AG ideas.

Oliver reiterated suggestion from a few weeks ago that in the presence of the reduction in force that Joanna take over driving overall engineering execution (beyond just platform project).

Oliver suggested that we try to logically keep about 2 of our heads at outward (e.g., user community) facing support and the remaining 8 at consuming product support. We will probably trade off community and consuming defects to achieve about this balance.

• Oliver wants to stress to board that we intend to pay attention to the community with a reasonable fraction of our resource.

Discussion around project management

Oliver and Chris summarized some details of an introduction of Intel manager who manages new Intel contributors. Incoming resources are based in Beijing. Question to Joanna about how to handle meetings/syncup with remote team this way.

• Joanna noted that IBM has this situation to some extent today with their contributors already (with Richard in India and another resource in Japan).
• Joanna said that she will probably try to organize some calls plus more heavily used email
• Oliver/Joanna asked how English skills be for team members (for teleconferences)
  • Chris suggested that there will probably be a range of skills but expects that at least one person on calls

START HERE AFTER LUNCH

Chris to send introduction to Joanna

do we want to go ahead and move stuff under joanna

need to create a 4.5.1 target.

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explain to team how TPTP works. how to get tasks.

• China guys asking for details about components breakdown
• How will triage be done

Branching off of 4.5

• Have some time to work a bit on fixes & help PRC guys to start contributions
• If would have a HEAD it would help to have a target for them to check in to.

Joanna suggests probably about monday or tuesday.

What will policy be for 4.5.1/4.6 selection?

will need some good simpler/smaller defects to get used to process first.

• Alex knows it to be a bit complex... will take a few weeks.
• Harm plans to proceed business as usual... will look at them based
• New folks won't have committer rights.
  • Sasha just pick a few smaller ones
  • No external dependences
  • Joel to create a bugzilla target
  • Joanna has some students.

more writing from IBM on testing side. It is a bit unclear how testing of TPTP works.

• Joanna can follow up a bit.

How to balance community defects versus consumer defects

• Would be good to have AlexA help identify a pool of "good for community" defects so that the PRC guys have this pool to pull from while they start to develop expertise in what is a community item and what is a consuming item.

MISC

Joanna asked for details of Oliver's board call so that she can dial in.

• Joanna will try to dial in
• Chris in all day meeting on Wed but will try to dial in.

Do we need an AG call on Monday?

• We decided to cancel the call but if a disaster happens follow up on list and we may decide to have it then.