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TPTP-PMC-20071219
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Attending
Paul Oliver Guru Chris AlexA Regrets: Joanna, AlexN, Harm
Logistics
Any objections to last week?
- No
Iteration I4 status
Oliver noted that realistically there is not time for another full test pass
- Need to be in quite good shape by end of this week (end of TP1)
Monitoring and Platform indicate that they are on track
- Sent email updates because they were OOP
Monitoring had one defect that popped up; fixed; will be tested in next build
Trace project/profiling
- profiling
- failure on XP (regression)
- BLOCKING Defect 213201 currently assigned to Joanna
- Trace where have resources tests are done
- Results not yet checked in; Guru talked to Paul about this
Test
- 1 major defect
- Will be fixed today or first thing tomorrow
Test pass 2 will be small
- Be aware of holiday schedules as you plan it out
4 critical issues outstanding
| 213030 | cri | P1 | apnan@ca.ibm.com | alexander.n.alexeev@intel.com | Platform | 4.5 | 0 | 4.5i4 | plan | 0.0 | 0.0 | EMF trace model can't be updated |
| 205821 | cri | P1 | huangys@cn.ibm.com | mmings@us.ibm.com | Trace.Ex | 4.5 | 0 | 4.5i4 | plan | 0.0 | 0.0 | For Java 5 and above ARM needs to use TI agent and not the PI agent |
| 208394 | cri | P1 | jkubasta@ca.ibm.com | paules@ca.ibm.com | Platform | 4.5 | 0 | 4.5i4 | plan | 0.0 | 0.0 | Exceptions when opening the Platform documentation. |
| 212883 | cri | P1 | paules@ca.ibm.com | paules@ca.ibm.com | Test.Doc | 4.5 | 0 | 4.5i4 | plan | 4.0 | 0.0 | URL and JUnit Plug-in Test documentation missing from TOC. |
AI: Chris to cc Rohit on minutes to underscore what he is covering for AlexN
Committer Cleanup
Chris mentioned the mail thread about removing defunct committers
- Removing some key old committers (Randy) will impact build
- AI for Kiryl and Joel to resolve build issues with changing account
- Paul noted a similar issue on the IBM side with Hubert's account may exist
Trace and Profiling Discussion w/ Guru
Guru noted regarding Test cases for profiler in Trace project
- Profiler test cases in Trace are somewhat redundant with profiling cases in Platform
- Will be purging these redundant tests (especially since some Platform equivalents are automated)
Oliver a bit concerned about lack of line items in weekly milestones for Trace project
- All blanks today
- Guru noted that items with dependency on monitoring project are getting done
- Other items are delayed until IBM resource comes onboard.
- Commentary from Chris: AI to Trace lead to follow instructions in TPTP-PMC-20071128 for how this is supposed to look
- Guru noted that items with dependency on monitoring project are getting done
Oliver would like to have a discussion about Trace/Profiling tracking w/ Guru, Alex, Chris
- AI to Chris to help Oliver schedule a time to talk
Profiling lead user effort
There is ongoing discussion with an anonomous contributor regarding helping to document the user test case, instructions, and methodology.
- Originally was proposed as a rework of key TPTP profiler documentation
- Oliver is discussing it as
- write user doc that is suitable for Harm's use case.
- Probably want it brief (O(3pages))
- write user doc that is suitable for Harm's use case.
- While contributor want to be somewhat anonymous, need to know that resulting work will be EPL licensed.
- Oliver to talk to contributor and find out if this is viable.
Alex mentions
- Do not yet have all required background on use case (Harm has been in and out lately)
- Use case is not simple (many potential parts)
Where are we with profiling initiative
- Harm and Alex are communicating
- Harm is continuing to put some details on wiki
- Harm is away on vacation until around the 4th
- Want to schedule 10 minutes on each meeting in new year to follow thru
Brief discussion on second use case
- Harmony test case
- Should this be documented in wiki (needs to flesh out Harmony_profiling_with_TPTP)
- At some point would like it to be documented as much as tomcat use case.
- Difficult to get Sergey to document and be official lead user
- Harmony guys are somewhat overloaded.
- In addition, Alex raised some concerns about having sufficient resource to actually pursue 2 use cases at a time
- Wants to first hammer down what we expect to get done in I5
- Should this be documented in wiki (needs to flesh out Harmony_profiling_with_TPTP)
Plan
- focus on 1 use case at this point then as it gets wrapped, move to another
- Lets us plan when to engage Harmony team (at a time we can dedicate to help)
- Who will be main person to evaluate success of a use case 1?
- Harm?
- Team as a whole?
- Question about qualitative success versus quantitative success
- Alex and Harm to be on phone on Jan 2 meeting
- For that meeting:
- A few mins to talk about I4 and delivery
- Then really drill in and talk about use case
- need to accept the use case; want to have it work
- To make quantitative, need to explicitly accept/reject the line items of the use case
- Document bits that are accepted... Drive to quantitateive success
- Some desired features will become longer term goals
- Oliver suggest documenting in a separate document
- Example, pull out line items of use cases that can't be done in 4.5
- At same time ensuring that use case is still "usable"
- The separate longer term document helps us drive 4.6.
- For that meeting:
Test initiative
Oliver noted that documents look professional
- Oliver will be sending out details to wider audience
- Testing appears under control... As bugs come in test project will handle them
- Expect to see overall resource benefits (more getting done because of reduced testing load) in near future
Joel will be documenting how he integrated into build process.
- Oliver will distrib to community and start getting feedback/questions from community
- Schizophrenia regarding whether or not eclipse wants community input (eclipse usable by itself versus simple vehicle for products based on eclipse)
- board has expressed that they want OOB/usability
- a few suggested pointing at commercial products and that eclipse just there to support commercial products.
next time for board meeting; Oliver would like collateral all ready to go
- there are things where community has value -- e.g., standards, etc.
- Oliver believes getting board reps on board will help with getting resources
Misc
PMC cancelled next week (its Boxing Day in Canada)....
Alex asked Paul a question about a bugzilla comment
- why do we have two entries in bugzilla plan and priority separately.
Paul said a few words about the meaning of plan and priority
- P1 -- commited to fixing in 4.5
- Plan designation
Paul noted still lots of defects without P1 and without plan keyword.
- Leads need to be aware and resolve
- Paul (for Test) typically runs checks at end of each iteration.
These definitions cause recurring confusion
- Paul will put on wiki the definitions and bkms for updating and attach to minutes.